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		<title>By: Professor Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Professor Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@elutheroi Indeed. Also, the beauty of the poem is that at the end after all the social experimentation, you return to where you began, i.e. the timeless wisdom, i.e. &quot;the Laws of Nature and of Nature&#039;s God.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@elutheroi Indeed. Also, the beauty of the poem is that at the end after all the social experimentation, you return to where you began, i.e. the timeless wisdom, i.e. &#8220;the Laws of Nature and of Nature&#8217;s God.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: elutheroi</title>
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		<dc:creator>elutheroi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of being labeled pendantic, let me lend some explanation that makes the poem more enjoyable.

The &quot;Gods of the Marketplace&quot; is government.  

A copybook is the English equivalent of our McGuffey reader.  Children were required to copy the wise sayings in the copybook to practice penmanship and spelling.  The wise sayings were the &quot;copybook headings&quot;.  

So, government makes the same stupid mistakes over and over while the wisdom taught to children is timeless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of being labeled pendantic, let me lend some explanation that makes the poem more enjoyable.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Gods of the Marketplace&#8221; is government.  </p>
<p>A copybook is the English equivalent of our McGuffey reader.  Children were required to copy the wise sayings in the copybook to practice penmanship and spelling.  The wise sayings were the &#8220;copybook headings&#8221;.  </p>
<p>So, government makes the same stupid mistakes over and over while the wisdom taught to children is timeless.</p>
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		<title>By: Professor Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Professor Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa,

I think I can best respond to your remarks with a poem that Kipling wrote:

&lt;b&gt;THE GODS OF THE COPYBOOK HEADINGS&lt;/b&gt;
by Rudyard Kipling

As I pass through my incarnations in every age and race,
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.

We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.

We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.

With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: &quot;Stick to the Devil you know.&quot; 

On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: &quot;The Wages of Sin is Death.&quot; 

In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all, 
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul; 
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy, 
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: &quot;If you don&#039;t work you die.&quot; 

Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began. 
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire, 
And the burnt Fool&#039;s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins, 
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn, 
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa,</p>
<p>I think I can best respond to your remarks with a poem that Kipling wrote:</p>
<p><b>THE GODS OF THE COPYBOOK HEADINGS</b><br />
by Rudyard Kipling</p>
<p>As I pass through my incarnations in every age and race,<br />
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.<br />
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,<br />
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.</p>
<p>We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn<br />
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:<br />
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,<br />
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.</p>
<p>We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,<br />
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,<br />
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come<br />
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.</p>
<p>With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,<br />
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;<br />
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;<br />
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.</p>
<p>When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.<br />
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.<br />
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,<br />
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: &#8220;Stick to the Devil you know.&#8221; </p>
<p>On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life<br />
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)<br />
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,<br />
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: &#8220;The Wages of Sin is Death.&#8221; </p>
<p>In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,<br />
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;<br />
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,<br />
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: &#8220;If you don&#8217;t work you die.&#8221; </p>
<p>Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew<br />
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true<br />
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four<br />
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.</p>
<p>As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man<br />
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.<br />
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,<br />
And the burnt Fool&#8217;s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;</p>
<p>And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins<br />
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,<br />
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,<br />
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back to theology:    The poor will always be with us.   Those were Jesus&#039; words.   So how do we respond to that?   By loving our neighbor as ourselves.   By loving the poor in our community.   How do we do that?   Helping with their physical, emotional and spiritual needs - not leaving the &quot;system&quot; to take care of them.    It goes way beyond health care.    Jesus requires much more than &quot;giving them health insurance&quot;.   He wants us to get involved in their lives.   It is messy, it is time consuming, it is hard work.    The liberals just want government to take care of everything so they can assuage their guilty conscience.   If all the liberals who are so hyped up about health care reform would go help out in their community soup kitchens, clothes closets, homeless shelters, etc. this world would be a lot better place.  Government is not the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to theology:    The poor will always be with us.   Those were Jesus&#8217; words.   So how do we respond to that?   By loving our neighbor as ourselves.   By loving the poor in our community.   How do we do that?   Helping with their physical, emotional and spiritual needs &#8211; not leaving the &#8220;system&#8221; to take care of them.    It goes way beyond health care.    Jesus requires much more than &#8220;giving them health insurance&#8221;.   He wants us to get involved in their lives.   It is messy, it is time consuming, it is hard work.    The liberals just want government to take care of everything so they can assuage their guilty conscience.   If all the liberals who are so hyped up about health care reform would go help out in their community soup kitchens, clothes closets, homeless shelters, etc. this world would be a lot better place.  Government is not the answer.</p>
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		<title>By: elutheroi</title>
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		<dc:creator>elutheroi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m no bible scholar but it seems to me that Jesus did call for people to give of themselves for the sake of others.  But I don&#039;t recall him asking Caeser to force people to sacrifice for others.  He didn&#039;t complain about people&#039;s selfishness but he did convict them of the block that wealth can be to one&#039;s salvation.  Some people responded to this conviction by giving their money to others.  I don&#039;t recall anyone giving their money to the government for the sake of others.  

People should not be forced to do good because we think they should.  Christians should call to each other to do good works and leave the rest of the world to live up to their own standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no bible scholar but it seems to me that Jesus did call for people to give of themselves for the sake of others.  But I don&#8217;t recall him asking Caeser to force people to sacrifice for others.  He didn&#8217;t complain about people&#8217;s selfishness but he did convict them of the block that wealth can be to one&#8217;s salvation.  Some people responded to this conviction by giving their money to others.  I don&#8217;t recall anyone giving their money to the government for the sake of others.  </p>
<p>People should not be forced to do good because we think they should.  Christians should call to each other to do good works and leave the rest of the world to live up to their own standards.</p>
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		<title>By: Reactionary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reactionary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Brian.  I think it&#039;s theologically sound.  Governments don&#039;t go to Heaven - and people don&#039;t get there by spending other people&#039;s money.

BTW, the ointment used for Jesus&#039; foot massage was spikenard oil, estimated cost = one year&#039;s wages per liter (including the alabaster jar).  Think of that as roughly $3,000 per ounce.  The bottom line is that it&#039;s OK to spend your money however you want, especially on extravagant presents for a loved one, just be sure to personally help the poor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Brian.  I think it&#8217;s theologically sound.  Governments don&#8217;t go to Heaven &#8211; and people don&#8217;t get there by spending other people&#8217;s money.</p>
<p>BTW, the ointment used for Jesus&#8217; foot massage was spikenard oil, estimated cost = one year&#8217;s wages per liter (including the alabaster jar).  Think of that as roughly $3,000 per ounce.  The bottom line is that it&#8217;s OK to spend your money however you want, especially on extravagant presents for a loved one, just be sure to personally help the poor.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry! The original post is quite an interesting perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry! The original post is quite an interesting perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Reactionary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reactionary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa  - I think someone from the Shoals or Decatur could win, but they&#039;d be starting out at a general disadvantage.    I can&#039;t imagine someone else coming into the AL05 race on the GOP side who&#039;s got a better chance than Mo or Les.

*** Why isn&#039;t anyone discussing theology!!!***

I saved up some good counterpoints and this has devolved into a discussion of the rusty bayonet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa  &#8211; I think someone from the Shoals or Decatur could win, but they&#8217;d be starting out at a general disadvantage.    I can&#8217;t imagine someone else coming into the AL05 race on the GOP side who&#8217;s got a better chance than Mo or Les.</p>
<p>*** Why isn&#8217;t anyone discussing theology!!!***</p>
<p>I saved up some good counterpoints and this has devolved into a discussion of the rusty bayonet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it possible for someone who is not from Huntsville to win this seat?  Say, the Shoals or Decatur?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it possible for someone who is not from Huntsville to win this seat?  Say, the Shoals or Decatur?</p>
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		<title>By: Hntsvillian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hntsvillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mo is moving too far to the right dishing out the red meat all too often that we all know he will not be able to garner enough support to win the general election even if he could pull out the primary victory. Chances are good that some other local notables will toss their hats in the ring before this is over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mo is moving too far to the right dishing out the red meat all too often that we all know he will not be able to garner enough support to win the general election even if he could pull out the primary victory. Chances are good that some other local notables will toss their hats in the ring before this is over.</p>
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