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	<title>Comments on: Madison County Commission FY2009 Budget</title>
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		<title>By: Reactionary</title>
		<link>http://www.flashpointblog.com/2008/06/24/madison-county-commission-fy2009-budget/#comment-31584</link>
		<dc:creator>Reactionary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loretta - sorry to take so long to reply; it was my fault - the Sheriff Lieutenant did answer questions but I was busy making briefing charts for my nieces and nephew for my trip.

The Madison County Jail has about 850 prisoners, for all types of offenses, including first-time drug offenders. The Sheriff seemed to know where your question was leading before I did - some States basically give tickets / notices to appear instead of taking them to jail. But Alabama says an offender needs to go to jail for a little while.

First-timers don't stay very long though, most are out as soon as possible. A different source tells me about offenders who prefer jail to Drug Court (for some, jail is easier than counseling, classes, fines, testing, and monitoring).

About the economy - if Obama is elected, Huntsville is going to take a big hit - our economy depends on military spending. Things have been pretty good here under Bush.

A bad economy means that local Govt won't have income to pay for extra popo and stuff. Vicious cycle...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loretta - sorry to take so long to reply; it was my fault - the Sheriff Lieutenant did answer questions but I was busy making briefing charts for my nieces and nephew for my trip.</p>
<p>The Madison County Jail has about 850 prisoners, for all types of offenses, including first-time drug offenders. The Sheriff seemed to know where your question was leading before I did - some States basically give tickets / notices to appear instead of taking them to jail. But Alabama says an offender needs to go to jail for a little while.</p>
<p>First-timers don&#8217;t stay very long though, most are out as soon as possible. A different source tells me about offenders who prefer jail to Drug Court (for some, jail is easier than counseling, classes, fines, testing, and monitoring).</p>
<p>About the economy - if Obama is elected, Huntsville is going to take a big hit - our economy depends on military spending. Things have been pretty good here under Bush.</p>
<p>A bad economy means that local Govt won&#8217;t have income to pay for extra popo and stuff. Vicious cycle&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Loretta Nall</title>
		<link>http://www.flashpointblog.com/2008/06/24/madison-county-commission-fy2009-budget/#comment-30775</link>
		<dc:creator>Loretta Nall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reactionary - I'll be real interested in hearing what you learn from your jail contact. I'm sure there are a lot of people that need to be there....but there are probably some that don't  and some that could be monitored in a less costly way.

I get by on once weekly garbage pick up and think most other folks probably can too. I don't really have an opinion on the road projects. If I lived there the pay raise would likely irk me. There has not been a pay raise for most people in the private sector. Everything else has gone up, food, fuel, utilities but not people's pay. If there is a pay raise for city employees then taxpayers foot that bill and right now that seems very unfair considering the economy.

How would more deputies decrease crime? Sure, more deputies means they might be able to catch more people committing crimes but adding more deputies won't necessarily reduce crime. With the economy the way it is right now I predict there will be a huge rise in crime just about everywhere and more deputies will be added wherever money can be found to pay them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reactionary - I&#8217;ll be real interested in hearing what you learn from your jail contact. I&#8217;m sure there are a lot of people that need to be there&#8230;.but there are probably some that don&#8217;t  and some that could be monitored in a less costly way.</p>
<p>I get by on once weekly garbage pick up and think most other folks probably can too. I don&#8217;t really have an opinion on the road projects. If I lived there the pay raise would likely irk me. There has not been a pay raise for most people in the private sector. Everything else has gone up, food, fuel, utilities but not people&#8217;s pay. If there is a pay raise for city employees then taxpayers foot that bill and right now that seems very unfair considering the economy.</p>
<p>How would more deputies decrease crime? Sure, more deputies means they might be able to catch more people committing crimes but adding more deputies won&#8217;t necessarily reduce crime. With the economy the way it is right now I predict there will be a huge rise in crime just about everywhere and more deputies will be added wherever money can be found to pay them.</p>
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		<title>By: Reactionary</title>
		<link>http://www.flashpointblog.com/2008/06/24/madison-county-commission-fy2009-budget/#comment-30774</link>
		<dc:creator>Reactionary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loretta - I've got a call into the guy who knows about the jail, he should be around this afternoon. Most people in jail need to be there - violent and repeat offenders.  

I think everyone's out of pocket because of the Albarran Sentencing (illegal convicted of murdering a police officer - State seeking the death penalty).

But what about the Madison County Budget?  What do you think about once-a-week vs twice-a-week garbage pickup?  What do you think about Madison County road construction and pay raises for employees? 

HSV is suffering a sharp increase in crime (we are #83 in the US). What about more Deputies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loretta - I&#8217;ve got a call into the guy who knows about the jail, he should be around this afternoon. Most people in jail need to be there - violent and repeat offenders.  </p>
<p>I think everyone&#8217;s out of pocket because of the Albarran Sentencing (illegal convicted of murdering a police officer - State seeking the death penalty).</p>
<p>But what about the Madison County Budget?  What do you think about once-a-week vs twice-a-week garbage pickup?  What do you think about Madison County road construction and pay raises for employees? </p>
<p>HSV is suffering a sharp increase in crime (we are #83 in the US). What about more Deputies?</p>
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		<title>By: Loretta Nall</title>
		<link>http://www.flashpointblog.com/2008/06/24/madison-county-commission-fy2009-budget/#comment-30769</link>
		<dc:creator>Loretta Nall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huntsville has for a while been more progressive about drug policy than most other places in Alabama. In rural areas where I live and work most people still go to jail for a non-violent first time drug offense. There aren't drug courts in every county yet. 

What is the main thing that people are in jail for there? Any idea? Are people there for non-violent offenses of another variety and just unable to bond out because they don't have the money? 

I met and had a long conversation with Judge Sherrod back in 2006 at the National TASC Conference. She has a good understanding of drug policy and the need for a major overhaul in that area of state law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huntsville has for a while been more progressive about drug policy than most other places in Alabama. In rural areas where I live and work most people still go to jail for a non-violent first time drug offense. There aren&#8217;t drug courts in every county yet. </p>
<p>What is the main thing that people are in jail for there? Any idea? Are people there for non-violent offenses of another variety and just unable to bond out because they don&#8217;t have the money? </p>
<p>I met and had a long conversation with Judge Sherrod back in 2006 at the National TASC Conference. She has a good understanding of drug policy and the need for a major overhaul in that area of state law.</p>
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		<title>By: Reactionary</title>
		<link>http://www.flashpointblog.com/2008/06/24/madison-county-commission-fy2009-budget/#comment-30756</link>
		<dc:creator>Reactionary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loretta - I'm guessing about zero first-time non-violent drug offenders are in jail.  They get out as soon as they make bond, then they eventually head to Drug Court (Judge Lynn Sherrod), then they go through whatever diversion program is recommended for them.  The only time I've seen diversion-eligible people in jail is when they didn't want the hassle (or expense) of diversion.

I've even seen people (rich and poor) with cocaine possession charges not go to jail.

Since drug court pays for itself, I'm thinking that no tax money would be saved by your idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loretta - I&#8217;m guessing about zero first-time non-violent drug offenders are in jail.  They get out as soon as they make bond, then they eventually head to Drug Court (Judge Lynn Sherrod), then they go through whatever diversion program is recommended for them.  The only time I&#8217;ve seen diversion-eligible people in jail is when they didn&#8217;t want the hassle (or expense) of diversion.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve even seen people (rich and poor) with cocaine possession charges not go to jail.</p>
<p>Since drug court pays for itself, I&#8217;m thinking that no tax money would be saved by your idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Loretta Nall</title>
		<link>http://www.flashpointblog.com/2008/06/24/madison-county-commission-fy2009-budget/#comment-30748</link>
		<dc:creator>Loretta Nall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonder how many non-violent drug offenders are currently taking up space in the jail? How much money could that area save by making simple possession for personal use a lowest law enforcement priority and using 'cite and release' on non-violent drug offenses as opposed to 'lock'em up til trial'  which is the way it is in most places in Alabama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonder how many non-violent drug offenders are currently taking up space in the jail? How much money could that area save by making simple possession for personal use a lowest law enforcement priority and using &#8216;cite and release&#8217; on non-violent drug offenses as opposed to &#8216;lock&#8217;em up til trial&#8217;  which is the way it is in most places in Alabama.</p>
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