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	<title>Comments on: Eddie Curran&#8217;s letter to 60 Minutes</title>
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		<title>By: Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk' - Page 19 - Debate Politics Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Rove Subpoenaed By John Conyers: 'Time To Talk' - Page 19 - Debate Politics Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] prison because he’s a criminal or because he belonged to the wrong political party in Alabama?”    Flashpoint Blog Archive Eddie Curran&#8217;s letter to 60 Minutes  You might also want to read his comments on Simpson.   [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Judy</title>
		<link>http://www.flashpointblog.com/2008/02/28/eddie-currans-letter-to-60-minutes/comment-page-1/#comment-34907</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plumb Bob,

You are correct that you are silly and rude.  And, after all, I&#039;m not the one hiding behind anonymity -- you are, even while singing your own praises and skills as a writer and analyst of my writing.  Your errors are not typographical, and your writing is, by definition and legal precedent, publication, as you have posted on the World Wide Web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plumb Bob,</p>
<p>You are correct that you are silly and rude.  And, after all, I&#8217;m not the one hiding behind anonymity &#8212; you are, even while singing your own praises and skills as a writer and analyst of my writing.  Your errors are not typographical, and your writing is, by definition and legal precedent, publication, as you have posted on the World Wide Web.</p>
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		<title>By: Plumb Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plumb Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, Judy,

This is all silly. I have no idea whether you&#039;re telling the truth or not, as what you&#039;d say would be the same in either case. But there&#039;s also no reason why you should care what I think. I&#039;m 2000 miles away and not connected in any way to the case. And there&#039;s no reason why I should care what you think about my writing; I&#039;m confident enough that I don&#039;t need your imprimatur.

I apologize for my rudeness in the last post. Go your way, and make sense of your life in peace, and I&#039;ll do the same with mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, Judy,</p>
<p>This is all silly. I have no idea whether you&#8217;re telling the truth or not, as what you&#8217;d say would be the same in either case. But there&#8217;s also no reason why you should care what I think. I&#8217;m 2000 miles away and not connected in any way to the case. And there&#8217;s no reason why I should care what you think about my writing; I&#8217;m confident enough that I don&#8217;t need your imprimatur.</p>
<p>I apologize for my rudeness in the last post. Go your way, and make sense of your life in peace, and I&#8217;ll do the same with mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Plumb Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plumb Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judy,
The person shift you pointed out was an artifact of editing on the fly. This forum is ad hoc discussion, not publication, and the best writers make the sorts of errors you&#039;re pointing out. If the best you can come up with is to nit-pick typographical errors, then you clearly have no defense for the absolute CRAP in your dishonest affidavit. 

Thanks for playing, and come on back when you&#039;re actually capable of defending yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judy,<br />
The person shift you pointed out was an artifact of editing on the fly. This forum is ad hoc discussion, not publication, and the best writers make the sorts of errors you&#8217;re pointing out. If the best you can come up with is to nit-pick typographical errors, then you clearly have no defense for the absolute CRAP in your dishonest affidavit. </p>
<p>Thanks for playing, and come on back when you&#8217;re actually capable of defending yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy</title>
		<link>http://www.flashpointblog.com/2008/02/28/eddie-currans-letter-to-60-minutes/comment-page-1/#comment-34422</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plumb Bob, your analyses, speculation, and opinions are just that -- and meaningless, as you are wrong about all of them.  As for my experiences, I have been an active participant in Alabama politics for more than 20 years, and am writing a book about those experiences.  Anyone can call himself a writer!  If you read your own posting, surely you will notice enough errors to apologize for shaming the profession you claim, if, in fact, you are a writer.  You shift from referring to me as &quot;her&quot; to &quot;your&quot; within the same sentence, leading a reader to confusion as to whom you are writing. And there is no Bettye Find Collins and there is no Alice White of whom I am aware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plumb Bob, your analyses, speculation, and opinions are just that &#8212; and meaningless, as you are wrong about all of them.  As for my experiences, I have been an active participant in Alabama politics for more than 20 years, and am writing a book about those experiences.  Anyone can call himself a writer!  If you read your own posting, surely you will notice enough errors to apologize for shaming the profession you claim, if, in fact, you are a writer.  You shift from referring to me as &#8220;her&#8221; to &#8220;your&#8221; within the same sentence, leading a reader to confusion as to whom you are writing. And there is no Bettye Find Collins and there is no Alice White of whom I am aware.</p>
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		<title>By: Plumb Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plumb Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 04:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m coming to this months later, only just now realizing that Judy White commented on my analysis. So, here&#039;s my response.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The affidavit is my statement UNDER OATH, of my own experiences and knowledge, for the purpose stated in the affidavit.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Obviously, I can&#039;t dispute that it&#039;s Ms. White&#039;s affidavit. However, I note that while the first three pages of the affidavit are clearly her personal experience, beginning at the bottom of page three, the affidavit leaves the clear personal narrative and launches into a discussion of state politics that begins like this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Intermingled with these times were other ominous incidents involving US Attorney Alice Martin and Bettye Find Collins. For a number of years, it has been widely known within political circles that Ms. Martin desires an appointment to a federal judgeship. In pursuit of that goal, she has, unfortunately for Americans, allowed her office to be used for political purposes, initiating and carrying out prosecutions based upon political considerations...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now, here, I&#039;m intrigued. The first three pages were clearly her experience. This clearly is not; it&#039;s political analysis. Ms. White has no special knowledge of Alice Martin&#039;s motives, career aspirations, or  political machinations; this is speculation on her part. If I were a judge reading your affidavit, I would take the first three pages as meaningful testimony, and what follows as her opinion about political matters, which is of no interest to the court. That was the point of my criticism.

I&#039;m a writer; I noticed not only a clear break in the narrative at that point, but a clear change in the tone, style, and vocabulary of the writing. I don&#039;t know if my analysis would stand up in court, but I  doubt that the author of the first 3 pages was the author of the rest. The second author is crisp and precise, and uses words like &quot;intermingled,&quot; &quot;evocative,&quot; and &quot;coerced.&quot; The first author rambles, makes errors in sentence structure, and uses simpler words. How that gets done legally, with Judy White&#039;s signature on the entire, notarized document, we can only speculate -- but that&#039;s my story, and I&#039;m sticking to it.

Ms. White also says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;... speculating that someone â€śsat silentlyâ€ť is meaningless.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

She brought this up twice, and I have no idea what she&#039;s talking about. The speculation I&#039;m talking about is the speculation about Alice White&#039;s political aspirations, collusion with Republican operatives, and plan to corrupt justice -- none of which can properly be said to be things that she &quot;experienced&quot; or &quot;know,&quot; except as hearsay or analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m coming to this months later, only just now realizing that Judy White commented on my analysis. So, here&#8217;s my response.</p>
<blockquote><p>The affidavit is my statement UNDER OATH, of my own experiences and knowledge, for the purpose stated in the affidavit.</p></blockquote>
<p>Obviously, I can&#8217;t dispute that it&#8217;s Ms. White&#8217;s affidavit. However, I note that while the first three pages of the affidavit are clearly her personal experience, beginning at the bottom of page three, the affidavit leaves the clear personal narrative and launches into a discussion of state politics that begins like this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Intermingled with these times were other ominous incidents involving US Attorney Alice Martin and Bettye Find Collins. For a number of years, it has been widely known within political circles that Ms. Martin desires an appointment to a federal judgeship. In pursuit of that goal, she has, unfortunately for Americans, allowed her office to be used for political purposes, initiating and carrying out prosecutions based upon political considerations&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Now, here, I&#8217;m intrigued. The first three pages were clearly her experience. This clearly is not; it&#8217;s political analysis. Ms. White has no special knowledge of Alice Martin&#8217;s motives, career aspirations, or  political machinations; this is speculation on her part. If I were a judge reading your affidavit, I would take the first three pages as meaningful testimony, and what follows as her opinion about political matters, which is of no interest to the court. That was the point of my criticism.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a writer; I noticed not only a clear break in the narrative at that point, but a clear change in the tone, style, and vocabulary of the writing. I don&#8217;t know if my analysis would stand up in court, but I  doubt that the author of the first 3 pages was the author of the rest. The second author is crisp and precise, and uses words like &#8220;intermingled,&#8221; &#8220;evocative,&#8221; and &#8220;coerced.&#8221; The first author rambles, makes errors in sentence structure, and uses simpler words. How that gets done legally, with Judy White&#8217;s signature on the entire, notarized document, we can only speculate &#8212; but that&#8217;s my story, and I&#8217;m sticking to it.</p>
<p>Ms. White also says:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230; speculating that someone â€śsat silentlyâ€ť is meaningless.</p></blockquote>
<p>She brought this up twice, and I have no idea what she&#8217;s talking about. The speculation I&#8217;m talking about is the speculation about Alice White&#8217;s political aspirations, collusion with Republican operatives, and plan to corrupt justice &#8212; none of which can properly be said to be things that she &#8220;experienced&#8221; or &#8220;know,&#8221; except as hearsay or analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was in the earlier response: &quot;speculating that someone â€śsat silentlyâ€ť is meaningless. There has been no indication that the affidavit was the first telling of the events. The affidavit is my statement UNDER OATH, of my own experiences and knowledge, for the purpose stated in the affidavit. That does not mean that other discussions did not occur, including discussions as the events occurred. Please keep in mind also that no affidavit can include everything from 1999 through 2008.&quot;  In other words, there is no statement or indication that the misconduct we experienced was not reported at the time it occurred.  And please understand that I am not free to fully and completely disclose everything due to on-going activities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was in the earlier response: &#8220;speculating that someone â€śsat silentlyâ€ť is meaningless. There has been no indication that the affidavit was the first telling of the events. The affidavit is my statement UNDER OATH, of my own experiences and knowledge, for the purpose stated in the affidavit. That does not mean that other discussions did not occur, including discussions as the events occurred. Please keep in mind also that no affidavit can include everything from 1999 through 2008.&#8221;  In other words, there is no statement or indication that the misconduct we experienced was not reported at the time it occurred.  And please understand that I am not free to fully and completely disclose everything due to on-going activities.</p>
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		<title>By: jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judy, I appreciate you responding to defend your sworn affadavit.  Plumb Bob is living in a fantasy world where justice is truly blind to the misdeeds of all Republicans, EXCEPT for those who don&#039;t walk in lockstep with the great leader who is above the laws of man.

Could you respond also to Brian&#039;s statement:

&quot;The Gary White connection you point out is so tangential that it scarcely merits a response. Why did his wife, or even Mr. White himself, wait until after he was convicted to issue such an affidavit? It seems to me that one might want to report attempts to coerce testimony at the time it happened. Mrs. White is effectively saying that her husband had evidence (or at least their word) that the government was trying to coerce his testimony and they sat silently while two ostensibly innocent men were convicted and sentenced. Give me a break.&quot;

It seems like the Judge certainly felt it was worthy of a response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judy, I appreciate you responding to defend your sworn affadavit.  Plumb Bob is living in a fantasy world where justice is truly blind to the misdeeds of all Republicans, EXCEPT for those who don&#8217;t walk in lockstep with the great leader who is above the laws of man.</p>
<p>Could you respond also to Brian&#8217;s statement:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Gary White connection you point out is so tangential that it scarcely merits a response. Why did his wife, or even Mr. White himself, wait until after he was convicted to issue such an affidavit? It seems to me that one might want to report attempts to coerce testimony at the time it happened. Mrs. White is effectively saying that her husband had evidence (or at least their word) that the government was trying to coerce his testimony and they sat silently while two ostensibly innocent men were convicted and sentenced. Give me a break.&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems like the Judge certainly felt it was worthy of a response.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don Siegelman&#039;s prosecution is the result of Alice-in-Wonderland-Martin&#039;s humiliation and vindictiveness over losing the first Scrushy trial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don Siegelman&#8217;s prosecution is the result of Alice-in-Wonderland-Martin&#8217;s humiliation and vindictiveness over losing the first Scrushy trial.</p>
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		<title>By: gen</title>
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		<dc:creator>gen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judy, Thanks for your rational response to Plumb Bob&#039;s irrational accusations based on his ill-tempered ranting. The only &quot;facts&quot; that he can envision are spawned from his conception of a reality, where only he and his species deserve to speak or to question events, such as those pertaining to the imprisonment of former governor Don Siegelman. 

Many questions have been raised that remain unanswered.  For one, â€śWhy has Siegelman been denied the most basic right of an American citizenâ€”that is, to appeal his case?â€ť</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judy, Thanks for your rational response to Plumb Bob&#8217;s irrational accusations based on his ill-tempered ranting. The only &#8220;facts&#8221; that he can envision are spawned from his conception of a reality, where only he and his species deserve to speak or to question events, such as those pertaining to the imprisonment of former governor Don Siegelman. </p>
<p>Many questions have been raised that remain unanswered.  For one, â€śWhy has Siegelman been denied the most basic right of an American citizenâ€”that is, to appeal his case?â€ť</p>
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