His victims were not available for comment
Posted by BrianA Talladega man convicted of murdering two women and two children is asking that he not be put to death because it will cause him “severe pain.”
[Daniel Lee] Siebert was sentenced to death for the Feb. 19, 1986, strangulation deaths of Sherri Weathers, 24, and her two sons, 5-year-old Chad and 4-year-old Joey.
Weathers was a student at the Alabama School for the Deaf in Talladega and had been dating Siebert. The bodies were found in her Talladega apartment several days after the three were killed.
Siebert was also convicted of capital murder in the death of Linda Jarman, a neighbor of Weathers, who was killed the same night.
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In the lawsuit, Siebert claims that the way Alabama administers lethal injection could cause him severe pain. He also says in the lawsuit that he has been given a preliminary diagnosis that he suffers from hepatitis C and pancreatic cancer, which the suit says could cause complications with the lethal injection procedure.
Personally I hope it hurts like hell and reminds him of the severe pain he caused his victims.
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July 31st, 2007 at 8:17 pm
I can’t say I share the bloodlust.
August 15th, 2007 at 10:03 pm
Why is it so important that the state kill a man that they are spending thousands of dollars trying to save, what’s the point of that? Aren’t you so called Christains suppose to turn the other cheek, to forgive Daniel for what he’s done? The state of Alabama has kept this man alive for 20 years, and why? Of he was just going to be murdered for the murder that he was convicted of. I know Daniel and he isn’t the monster that the news stories make him out to be, he’s very caring and I’d trust him with my life. You should all be ashamed for the murder that you condone while condeming a man for the same thing!
August 16th, 2007 at 5:13 am
Sherri Weathers and her two sons trusted Mr. Siebert with their lives. That didn’t work out too well for them. I’d suggest you use better discretion about who you trust.
September 15th, 2007 at 2:46 am
You know nothing about the death of Ms. Weathers or how Daniel ended up the way he did. It broke my heart that Danny took the life of those children, but since I know him and I know him better than anyone other than his mother. I could see the twisted reasoning behind it and understand how he believed it. Speak what you know not what you think.
September 15th, 2007 at 5:35 am
Of course it is sad that anyone would end up turning into a cold blooded killer. What are the mitigating circumstances, other than you personally knowing him, that should make me think any better of Mr. Siebert? All I know is that he murdered four people, which ranks him pretty low in my book.
September 16th, 2007 at 1:30 pm
You are right, he did kill 4 + people but I believe in “vengeance is mine, saith the Lord”. It’s God’s business. We are supposed to be human beingsm yet we are just as guilty of “blood lust” as the perpetrator of the crime. I guess what bothers me is all of these “humans” who are believers in the “Word of God”, and yet who are so willing for someone to die. I did not say he was right in the killing; Danny was terribly wrong and I believe that “for every action there is a reaction” whether it is negative or positive but I believe that it is God’s business to determine the extent of his punishment. The United States government and its many states has made laws to fit every popular faction over the past two hundred years for the sake of the populous, and we both know that a lot of their laws were and are wrong. Is execution really making a dent in crime? Is the 3 strikes law of California really making headway in crime? Are there really less criminal activities? I think not and the existence of serial killers gets bigger by the day. As far as the mitigating circumstances that is between him and you but they do exist.
As far as his execution is concerned; that was on the back burner until they found out he had pancreatic cancer. Alabama is in a rush against God’s decision. They have a need to fulfill their blood lust it’s so simple. How dare God take him in a normal fashion!
September 16th, 2007 at 1:32 pm
You are right, he did kill 4 + people but I believe in “vengeance is mine, saith the Lord”. It’s God’s business. We are supposed to be human beings yet we are just as guilty of “blood lust” as the perpetrator of the crime. I guess what bothers me is all of these “humans” who are believers in the “Word of God”, and yet who are so willing for someone to die. I did not say he was right in the killing; Danny was terribly wrong and I believe that “for every action there is a reaction” whether it is negative or positive but I believe that it is God’s business to determine the extent of his punishment. The United States government and its many states has made laws to fit every popular faction over the past two hundred years for the sake of the populous, and we both know that a lot of their laws were and are wrong. Is execution really making a dent in crime? Is the 3 strikes law of California really making headway in crime? Are there really less criminal activities? I think not and the existence of serial killers gets bigger by the day. As far as the mitigating circumstances that is between him and you but they do exist.
As far as his execution is concerned; that was on the back burner until they found out he had pancreatic cancer. Alabama is in a rush against God’s decision. They have a need to fulfill their blood lust it’s so simple. How dare God take him in a normal fashion!
October 11th, 2007 at 9:08 pm
Well everyone you can think & speak~But you have not walked in my shoes and until you do you will never understand…Daniel Lee Siebert began his Killing spree as far back as 1976!!Do you all know that ,the first man was stabbed to death.(His throat cut)The only Victims he has been tried and convicted for are…Linda Jarmen,Linda Outum,Sherri Weathers,Joesph Weathers(3years old)& Chad Weathers(5 years old)ALL IN ONE NIGHT WITHIN A HOUR APART!!!See because I know I do have all the answers..Their lives were taken Febuary 19,1986~ My Mothers March 8,1986~He Beat,Stabbed & Strangled her to death…..And has confessed to not only my mothers but several others.Did you all know that.He will never be tried or convicted for my Mothers or the others.So to all of you that still have your “Mom” or “Children” think about it~Think about it hard.A sick monster as he is will never have to be the man he is suppose to be and step up to the plate.He has spent 21 years of trying to figure out how he can get away with this~He is not one bit sorry~Only that he was caught.My heart goes out to all the victims & their famlies left behind.I Know many of them. Do you??
October 11th, 2007 at 9:14 pm
I will be their October 25,2007 @6:00pm With the other famlies~Hoping that he isn’t issued a stay.He will die in a more human way then his victims.Do you think he caused them any pain?I know he did our family.Do you know to this day how it hurts??
October 23rd, 2007 at 8:27 pm
I don’t understand why it has taken 20 years for this to happen. I hope he gets what he deserves.
November 10th, 2007 at 8:21 am
I’ve been writing Daniel for over a year and a half. In his heart, he does mean well. Yes, I know well about the murders he’s committed, but I still care about him deeply. I know what he’s been thru, and tho what he did was not right, I understand him. I don’t expect anyone to understand how I feel or why. Mom386…you said “So to all of you that still have your “Mom” or “Children” think about it”….well, what about those that are family/close friends of Daniel’s? Do you think it’s easy for us knowing he is dying (or when we were expecting the execution to be carried out)? Daniel is still someone’s son…think of how his mom must feel. I’m glad he got the stay, but that last week before the execution, I was on an emotional roller-coaster…not knowing how he was doing, if he was going to get the stay, etc…I can only imagine it was worse for his mom and the rest of his family. Ppl tend to forget that the death penalty does not only effect the criminal, but it also punishes the rest of the family. Tell me how that is fair and just. And personally Mom386…you said you wanted to be there to watch him die…imo, that makes you just as “sick” as Daniel is.
November 14th, 2007 at 12:30 pm
All this crap about his bad childhood and his cancer and that he really means well don’t make a lick of sense. He has never tried to atone for his actions. He’s never taken responsibility for his actions. He sits in his cell writing “Poor Me” letters to death row groupies in Europe.
There’s been much talk about his horrible childhood. No specifics, just that it was horrible. Lots of people have had horrible childhoods and don’t murder anyone.
Daniel Siebert brutally murdered at least 5 people and, in all probablility, even more. He’s a serial murderer.
It’s beyond my ken to get why anyone would write to this sad excuse for a human being.
As for his family, guess he should have thought of that before he landed himself on Death Row.
Personally, I don’t care if the executioner or the cancer gets to him first. He’ll be just as dead, either way, and on his way to the nether regions where he belongs.
November 14th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
I know a bit about Daniel’s childhood, but it is not my place to tell you what occurred. I will say it was quite horrendous. What ppl fail to realize, is that yes, many ppl are abused growing up, but no two ppl react the same way to abuse. You could have a set of identical twins endure the same exact horrors, and they will react differently from one another. Also, keep in mind that if a child that is abused never receives counseling or any sort of help to try to counteract what they endured, how can you expect them to turn out “normal”? And, having written to him for some time, I can most assuredly tell you his letters have NEVER been “poor me” letters…in fact, they are quite the opposite. He reacts like many other typical abuse survivors, minimizing what he went thru, placing blame on hisself, etc. (I know, I do the same thing).
As for his family, that attitude you have “guess he should have thought of that before he landed himself on Death Row”…that is a very cold answer, and makes you seem just as heartless as you probably think he is.
April 17th, 2008 at 8:45 am
Well Guess What people??? My Life has been “Quite horrendous” for the last 22 years …I lost my Mom @ the age 28.Daniel Lee Siebert is the inhuman piece of flesh that beat,stabbed& strangled the life out of her!!!For $80.00….And has never been tried or convicted for this!!!Why?? Inhuman~Causes excruciating pain.. Guess what? The time has come for your dear friend.Did you know that!I hope that anyone of you,never sees your loved one in the morning,and their gone that night.AND no one has to answer for this.Why because their are just “Too” many.Any day now ~As he once wrote..
April 17th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
This POS is still alive? I thought he only had “weeks, maybe days, to live” from his cancer 6 months ago.
Did he miraculously cure his pancreatic cancer?
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:22 am
Daniel lee Siebert Died @1:35 today… No Justice severed!!!So many lives.
April 23rd, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Daniel Lee Siebert is dead. I don’t really care if he was executed or the cancer killed him. He will now have to face up to his crimes, without his prison penpals to back him up.
Personally, I think that justice was better served by the slow, lingering, painful death of pancreatic cancer than the easy sleep of execution.
It is my hope that Sherri Weathers, her two sons 5-year-old Chad and 4-year-old Joey, Linda Faye Odum, Linda Jarman, and all his other victims can now rest in peace and that their families can find some peace, too.
May 3rd, 2008 at 5:46 pm
I’m saddened by his death, but am glad to know he is no longer in pain.
Mom386…You allow yourself to linger in that anger and hatred, and all that does is eat you alive from the inside out. You have to CHOOSE not to let it do that, otherwise you will forever be miserable.
May 4th, 2008 at 12:59 am
DReed~ Apparently you have never walked in our shoes…And hopefully will never have to. I think thats great that you had a friend such as he. I don’t want to hear about the life he had. Do you know anything about the Victims lives….They did not kill for a living.When I first meet with him April 1986. ” He stated” Its like my Job..I get off on it. Did he tell you that. And it wasn’t just Sherri, Chad,Joesph, Linda & Linda…The others had names Too. Levert, Cace,Neshia, Gidget, Beatrice and several others. Not Once, I say not once did he ever show any remorse at all.Stabbing someone 29 times…Not painful…..Oh poor me didn’t work for the victims should it really work for him?? And if his family now feels sorry for him and or themselfs shame on them…They had plenty of time to help him…Or get him help instead of hidding him. He had so many of you fooled right to the end.I’m am angry & I do hate him for putting his hands around My mother neck,stabbing & strangling her to death.She was just watching TV. My only hope is that to all of you that voice you opinions that someday you have to travel the same road…Then you tell me………
May 5th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
DReed,
I find it interesting that you feel that the victims’ families should just “get over it”. At the same time, they are supposed to forgive this piece of trash you call your friend because, well, he had a tough childhood. Excuse me if I don’t get my crying towel out.
But let’s look at the facts. Siebert led a violent life. Whether or not it had anything to do with his early childhood is irrelevant. Many, many people have horrific childhoods. No, they don’t all react the same and the majority of them do not grow up to be criminals at all, much less murderers.
Yes, Siebert was an adult and yes, he should have thought of how his actions would affect his family. If that sounds “heartless” to you, that’s probably because I’m a thinking adult and know that my actions affect more than me.
I find your attack of one of the relatives of Siebert’s victims odious. Do you not understand that he MURDERED people? A lot of people? That he took their lives away for no other reason than he because he could?
Then, to make matters worse (if that’s possible), he goes to prison, sits on death row with NO remorse, and creates pornographic drawings.
You defend him but also with no apparent reason. You keep trying to make excuses for this guy. Why? Because he had a bad childhood? Siebert did not make a “mistake.” He willingly planned and carried out multiple horrific murders. What could possibly attract you to someone like that? Please don’t say he was human and serial murderers turned pornographers need love, too.
If you feel you have all this extra love and caring to give, please seek out someone who actually needs it, wants it, and can appreciate it. Your emotions are wasted on the residents of DR.
May 15th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Dear Ms. MOM 386, I am truly sorry for your loss. I hope that the death of Danny has now released you from your sick anger. You will be held hostage by it for the rest of your life. I assume that you are a Christian? If you are Jesus, My Lord and Savior preached forgiveness. If you will not forgive neither will he forgive you. Remember that. All you hatred and anger will not bring back your loved one. As it ever crossed your mind that his death was pre-ordained by God? If you are a believer in God, and Christ Jesus than you know that HE decides not you, not your anger nor any of the blood thirsty beings who write their vicious out pourings. Danny is past anything that you might say but his son, my son is not nor are our grandchildren. I’m praying that youo can Let Go and Let God because he already has. Be happy in knowing that Danny certainly did suffer, quite excruciatingly and was lucid in his pain to the very end. Unlike many I know exactly what he did from the beginning because he told me so. It hurt me every day because of my child and my grandchildren. However unlike you I believe in God’s Word–forgiveness. You on the other hand and those with you are hypocrites, and guess what wherever Danny is he’s saving you a seat.
I’ve got a secret for you. Those unpublished books of the Bible that the meeting of Nicea refused to put in the Bible because it did not agree with their beliefs has a book written by Peter which gives and alternative to those who have sinned. I will paraphrase for you. God will allow those who died in sin to be forgiven, and returned to him like the most saintly who abide with Him. All that needs to be done is for those who are there to ask for his saving by the Grace of God. If this is true, as a believer then those who are really God’s children have already asked for forgiveness for him through the Grace of God. He died as God chose him to not has man wanted him to. That is so simple that it is beyond you obviously. Pray for yourself and a deeper understanding of God.
May 15th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Incidentally, excuse my grammatical errors in the writing. When I am upset that happens. However a response to Mr. or Ms. Texas Death Penalty Supporter; 1) those pornographic drawings are what sick people like you want and assume that he does, and he just fed your sick mind; 2)the art he drew in our backyard as his son played around his legs were sci fi, phantasia which was colorful and fun (he even worked for Hanna-Barbera (didn’t know that did you?); 3)No two people are alike in their responses to abuse and there are always, always different things that will cause people to snap; 4) there is no one without sin, no not one (other than Jesus Christ Himself); 4)my Lord and Saviour did not itemize which sin was the worse, it is society which determines the laws and decide what is the worse crime; 5) Danny actually had a time in his life that was not violent but because of his past (and his response to his past) did not know how to appreciate it until it was too late; 5) I am not a fan of a serial killer; 6) I am a woman who shared a life with him; 7) No I was never afraid of him and he knew it;
admittedly stabbing that guy 29 times was overkill but then you only know circumstances why he did it from law enforcement. I’m sorry to say that ofttimes they twist information to sensationalize or justify whatever agenda they have for the trial. But you would be surprised who asked for his early release for that involuntary manslaughter, and Mom386 you are obviously bent to assume that Danny plotted on your mother or the others to kill them. The bloodlust that seems to affect caucasians (standard procedure is to assume the serial killer is white–that says something to me) more than others was upon him. Everybody responds differently to situations in their lives and he responded in a terrible way. He did in a terrible way. Please shut up!! It’s over with and he is not coming back, and God rest your family member to allow them to rest in peace. Your venting doesn’t make you feel better, his death didn’t make you feel better and you cannot not change anything or anyone; the only thing you can change is your response to something. That makes the difference Mr. or Mrs. Adult Texas Death Penalty Proponent. And he did feel remorse, you could never know what he felt.
May 15th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
I to have known Danny lee for 22years. I have all of his wrap sheets from 1978-1987 all of his History.His confesstions to all of the murders I have read,also his journal that he wrote in everyday while in prison.His explicit art work-(While he was a child) its many things grafic a man getting a B..w Job….should I go one about the many other sickening drawings??I know all about his life.Where he came from,his Mother,father& children.Where hes been and much of what he did in every day life.The only reason he was able to continue his killing sprees is he jumped bail in nevada….And got out of town.Had he asked my mother for the $80.00 instead of beating ,stabbing & strangling her to death for it , and maybe Linda for her car, instead of killing her.And the girl he picked up hitchhiking,that he stabbed her several times and rode around with her until he found a spot on the side of the rode to throw her body out, with a car he stoled from a victim he killed in Atlanta.Sherri & her 2 boys~ 3&5 years old…..Sleeping in their beds….picking them up one by one killing them and leaving them in the living room on the floor~only to con’t on to Linda Jarmens to kill her so he could use her car once again to leave Alabama.Boy he sure had everyone fooled.Including you apparently.But as I said-you don’t know what our lives were like growing up-nor many others..We have not killed ….You have choices.And as far as his family they should of helped him instead of hiding him & approving of daily life….You are all to blame.And as far as my God.He does hold all of the answers.He knew what this piece of shit did to so many lives,and what its done to so many.That I believe it did end this way so we did not have to go threw any more bullshit,apparently we are talking about 2 different Danny Lee Sieberts-oh yes, Daniel Marlow,Daniel Spence,Chad Weathers and many more AKA’S.Wow where have you been.I do find myself feeling sorry for his Children…Just knowing what a father has done all his life.Some example he surely was for them.And Please don’t tell me how I should feel~To all of you that have your own opinions as I said may you never have to endur what we have as a family.Maybe then you would understand.Until you have lived it don’t throw stones. Can you honestly Judge??? It is over with for you…All of my information came dirrectly from Daniel.You now need to catch up on things to really see who he really was as a person.I thank God every day that he was caught when his was ~ for their would be so many more.I find it so ammusing how one can tell another what they should feel,do and say…
May 15th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
See, there you go making excuses again. Sick people like me wanted that pornography so that’s what he drew. I only saw a couple of them (they made me ill) and I thought they were vile and disgusting. He certainly didn’t draw any happy children playing in the yard drawings in prison.
I don’t care what he drew in the backyard. Was this before or after he murdered people? Did he come home after a hard day of killing and draw pretty pictures for his son (who, incidentally, is ALSO in prison, so I guess that leaves out the race thing)?
What does it matter if he worked for Hanna-Barbera? Though it feels like a lie, it could be true. Couldn’t have been for long, though, and likely he was fired, just as he was dishonorably discharged from the Marines. What did he do, clean the toilets?
No, no two people are alike in their responses but abuse, any kind of abuse, is not an excuse for murder.
So, you were never afraid of him…more the fool you.
Again, I don’t care about the circumstances of his murders. I don’t care if he wasn’t breast fed or was potty trained too early. You don’t seem to get that THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR MURDER. There are NO (none, nada, zip, zero, nyet) extenuating circumstances which would ever allow me to consider a murderer even remotely human. A serial murderer is less than that. A serial murderer who creates pornography less than that. A serial murderer who creates pornography and does not own up to his actions, appealing on the ground that his execution might hurt (boohoo), is lower than the lowest pond scum, IMO. Where was his remorse? Where was his attempt at atonement? It did not exist.
I find it disgusting that you are telling one of Siebert’s victims to “get over it” and “shut up”. Then you preach religion, as you see it, which is a strange mix of tent revivalism and making things up as you go along.
Yes, Daniel Lee Siebert is dead. The world is a better place.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Mom386, you said “The only reason he was able to continue his killing sprees is he jumped bail in nevada…”. You missed a part of the story; this was after he was re-arrested dear for coming to California. You still don’t know the history regardless of what you read for 22 years in anger. You don’t know the relationship between the hooker and Danny obviously (who lied because of promises she made, and then put her hands on my son). My life with Danny was before 1978; before the killings, but during the nightmares and cold sweats. I listened to his father’s sick denials, he denial of his son among other things while saying such dreadful things. I am sorry you had to read such graphic information about the deaths of his victims. I’ve read it as well and I heard him say it as he spoke to me because I asked him about it. I went with him to his appeal in 1995. I’ve never been fooled by Danny Lee on the contrary I tried to kill him once. You are right. I apologize I don’t know what you went through without your Mom. For that I am so sorry. I do know what my son went through when they were looking for him as he left school to be stopped by the female Alabama police and told by her that they were looking for his father who was by the way a serial killer. He was 10 years old and she was quite wrong in saying that to a child. You’re right. How could I know when they put me in jail for my protection (but in truth they wanted to know where he was), and needed my help to find him. I didn’t know where he was but my son had run to hide in church (praying that he wouldn’t do what his father had) from the hurt that they had just thrown on him because of his father. Obviously they thought we had control over what he was doing. I have no idea what your life was like growing up without your Mom. He knew exactly what he did, and when he did it. Bye-the-bye, that female Alabama police she did die in very strange circumstances. I suppose it’s how you live your life. No, I haven’t killed either and life is made of choices–Danny’s were bad choices. Now how was I to blame for hiding him and I didn’t see him? For that matter how was my son to blame or me we never saw him. That’s very confusing. Explain that to me, please. Incidentally, I knew the other people (AKAs) that he used but like you he told me about what happened. He was Danny Lee Siebert while we were together and he loved his son, and did everything he could to try and make a good life for him (even though he lived a lie). I don’t know if you are the victim’s family member that he wrote but I know he told me he had written one of you about what happended. I’ve never asked who it was. Mom386 I can’t tell you how to feel. I can only say that if you really believe in God then try living how He has asked you to live–in forgiveness. It will never be over for me either not as long as my son and my grandchildren live.
As for Mr. Texas DP Defender. Telling you that he did not always live a violent life is not making excuses for him. I still don’t make excuses for him but since you were there when the Alabama police called me after they had picked him up and know what I said to him or what I did when I did see him. You know nothing but your emotional outbursts and that’s what you are feeding off of now. No, you are right he didn’t draw any happy pictures in prison but he did send some nice sci fi ones to his grandson. What I said to you was that these sick people like those types of drawings because they bought them, didn’t they? Most of those drawings were at the request of a sick part of society who revel in their own mental illness. I feel the same way about them as I do about the women that declare love for a killer they’ve never met(what’s that about?). Something’s wrong with the psyche. As far as you not caring what he drew in his backyard that’s your business. That was only to let you know that he did have another life which was better than he had lived before or after. When I discussed where he worked (which wasn’t a lie) I was trying to let you know at one time he had a normal life. Actually my brother cleaned toilets to put himself through school and he ended up as the Information System specialist for the federal reserve bank, so there is no shame in cleaning toilets or is there. Someone has to. You are right my son is in prison even though I tried very hard for him not to believe what the Alabama police woman said to him (self-fulfilling prophecy? Who knows) but you don’t know about that either. That’s another story. It has nothing to do with race because I am well aware that the predominant population in prison are black men. It’s how they ended up there that is different. The types of crimes are different but we won’t go into social issues nor historical issues about the wonderful southern chain gangs and prisons or how they came to be. That’s a very interesting piece of history in itself. But it is odd that the freak killers and rapist are . . .or they are those who try to assimulate into what they are not. As I said before Danny had a life before he became a serial killer that was the life with me. Your being facetious will not change that fact. You also don’t have the story surrounding his discharge from the Marines as well. Yes, he was dishonorably discharged. He should never have volunteered for the service. It was I that turned him in so he could face what he had done. I always believed that you must face your choices in life, they are your choices. No, I’m not a fool dear. I can take care of myself thank you. Fear was not an option. Again, you have things twisted he never denied what he did. He fought the death penalty because he felt it did not change anything, and it doesn’t. Putting people to death will not change anything or anyone. It will feed someone’s need for vengenance every once in a while but sometimes after the execution the victim’s family are still in pain. Aren’t they? That’s what I’m saying. I believe and it is my belief that these sick people should be interviewed, tested and observed to assist psychologists and psychiatrists before it gets to this terrible stage. They will have aided in benefitting society. Yes, he wanted to know why he had done these things. Whatever the root problem is there is a problem. No one knows why or how people end up that way. Don’t you want to know how, and maybe there is a cure. How about if someone is genetically inclined to this horrible diseased mentally and it could be corrected? Are you saying that you wouldn’t want correction of the problem. I find you quite humourous in an odd way but certainly sad. Thank goodness you have no idea what humanity is because you may twist it more than it already is. How dare I tell you and Mom386 how to feel. You can feel anyway you want. It wasn’t easy to forgive Danny for the things he did especially to the poor children but I thank God that my mother taught me that feeding off anger would not gain me anythingg but only make me lose my humanity and the ability to forgive. After all God’s word says to forgive lest He not forgive you. Secondly, I said these things because you’re still suffering by holding on to the past. You have a life ahead of you, please live it. It is over with. I apologize for saying “shut up” but I am so tired of hearing about what he shoulda, woulda, coulda done with his life. I wish too but he didn’t and for that he suffered the cosequences whatever they were (I will not discuss them with you). I’ll say it again. He’s dead and he can’t hurt anyone else. I’m praying for you to grow in Christ or just in life that might help as well.
May 16th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
TexasDPSupporter~ You seem to understand very well what we have gone threw.And how we as the victims families feel. Have you had a murder in your family or just one that can truely understand what this has done to us and how we feel.Thank-you for your continuing support.
May 17th, 2008 at 6:48 am
At the request of Daniel’s son, I printed up some articles about his father’s passing, along with comments left. I wouldn’t have done so normally, but he asked me to, so I did. He wanted to respond to what has been written….I told him I’d post it for him. Here’s what he had to say:
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My name is Damian Siebert and as I write this, I am rotting away slowly in the concrete belly of a most damnedable beast. I am presently a prisoner in California. But that is my story and not the reason why I wrtie today. My father, Daniel Lee Siebert, very recently died a most horrible death brought on by the conplications of a cancer that when detected is almost always fatal. It is not a death that i would wish upon anyone.
Many of you out there know of my father, know of his ill deeds and many of you have expressed your feeligns toward my father openly and venomously as possible. From what I have read there has been ONLY one person who actually had a RIGHT to say anything at all: Mom386. I cannot take away the actions of my father, nor is it within my power to teturn what was lost to you so many years ago. your anger and pain are my burden as well and I am truly sorry for what you’ve had to endure. For all of those lives my father has taken and changed; for all of the families he ahs disrupted, i extend those same regards to you as well. May you all find some closure in the death of my father.
I do not expect any forgiveness for my father, and as bad as this may sound, aside from those families affected by his actions, I care not one iota for him to have your forgiveness. His soul is not in debt to you. You, as your viewpoints concerning my father, are inconsequential. As for the other victeims (yes, I am a victim too), I do pray one day that you may forgive my father for his illness. I do not expect it, only hope that it will be given. However I know that this forgiveness can never occur without healing first and understanding second. I cannot help you with your healing, but I hope to give you a different understanding of this man who has affected your life so horribly.
My father died a very long time ago. It was not of his own volition and the person whe was eventually to become was not due to some grand scheme of mind either. He, as everyone else, was shaped early on in his life to become the persone who he ended his life being. He was shaped by the actions of his parents, his neighbors, his peers and his nation. My father was raised in a time where family secrets and abuse was kept behind closed doors. A time where people didn’t want to see the ugliness that lived behind a well presented facade. There weren’t a lot of people lobbying the lawmakers for child abuse laws nor was the mental health field as advanced then.
As I said, my father died a very long time ago. He began dying at the hands of his own father, Erwin Julius Siebert. This beast of a man beat my father regularly, sometimes until he bled, with a bullwhip, while tied to a post and then afterwards he would rape him. All of this, plus much more, unfolded for him for the first 11 years of his life, until my grandmother gathered enough courage to finally escape. I asked him once when did things begin to go bad for him, when did it all begin. His response was, ‘…I can only ask myself when was it not bad? Consider the fact that at two years old, my hand was smashed inside a drawer as punishment because I was being curious. My left ring finger still bares the crushed tip of my finger. Or at six, being beaten and chased around the house of our next door neightbor witha bullwhip. Typical sh*t. Beaten in the face like a grown man, because I wouldn’t eat a specific food he wanted me to eat, force-fed, and who knows how many times sh*t like that happened. So going bad began a long long time ago.’
Some of you may say or think that because others who were abused may not have walked the path my fahter did, that he has no excuse. I ask you to consider how many have, and the many varied mental disorders they’ve suffered as a result of someone else’s actions against them. Can you see yourself in such a situation? Imagine what would develop in the mind of a child- not man- but a child, being violently exposed to another’s sexual perversions, or inclinations that even society has shunned or imprisoned people for. Can you see yourself, 4 or 5 years old, havinga manhood you have no clue exists, being beaten and ripped out of you, while the one person who is supposed to care for, protect and guide you, viciously tears you open with his penis and spills his seed (the same seed that made you), into your violated body? Not once, not twice, but over a period of several years! Do you think you would be normal, think normal, act normal? Imagine living in an environment at this age, where “It was always chaotic, always seemingly on the edge where it was like walking on eggshells, to avoid the pins and needles you automatically knew were there.”; where you would have “to hide, to stay out of his way,” but it doesn’t work because your dad’s sickness seems constatnt to you.
I asked my father about everything that wnet on with him and why things ended like they have. He told me small pieces of his life, becasue he was ashamed to some degree at not being the father he knew I needed. He wanted me to respect him, but didn’t think I would if I knew eveyrthing. But I remember things he told me, and I knew that the things that he did were not somethhing he wanted to do. He was dying inside and unfortunately others suffered with him. Dad was conflicted with trying to be normal and that just added on to the sickness within him. How could a child, who’s own father’s dispicable deeds, left him “…even more vulnerable to other predator males who’s senses were keen enough to recognize (his) state of being, where their manipulation tactics and influences led (him) into their twisted realms,” know what normal is? He told me about this, he said, “Consider the lack of foundation that left me without a developing premise, where fundamental things simply did not exist. He had your grandmother so scared out of her mind that she wasn’t capable of exposing the facade, or ripping off his mask. So she was virtually in the exact same position I foudn myself, in so many respects. And when she finally did gain enough courage to try to save us, as well as my sister; for me, I now know it was too late.” I never did learn everything about that time, he died before I could learn my family history, but neither did he tell me about the crimes either. It wasn’t until after I read the articles about his death that I even knew any of their names. So imo, I really don’t think he got a kick out of the whole thing. Some actually believe that.
All of you would like to condemn my father’s soul to hell, based on a judgement of morality. A morality that most of us never live up to. A morality my father never knew. How can you judge if you’ve never seen life through his eyes, his mind, his heart. How can you hold him to a moral standard that he never learned, never was taught? How can a child who was deathly afraid to go home and suffer at the hands of his father, who ended up suffering at the hands of otehr sick mentalities that preyed on him and who was lost to the streets and drugs and prostitution by 12 years old, know what is normal? Would you?
Do you believe you would have a moral perspective of life if your father took you out onto the river and had you orally copulate him? Or would live morally if other men dressed you up in panties and had sex with you or maybe your morality began the day you were gagged, bound, and then urinated on. How can you ever imagine how my father developed his sickness through your “moral” minds? It’s not possible. He sold his body to live and used psychotropic drugs to escape and it destroyed him even more. He joined the Marines hoping that the discipline would change him. It didn’t. By the way, he still had the bullwhip lashes on his back as well. Evidence of a brutal childhood.
Again, for the families, I am truly sorry. In all of this, we have all suffered. Nothing said will change that fact. yet I hope that this little bit gives you some understanding as to how he came to be.
I am 33 years old and I haven’t seen my fahter in 27 years. Now I never will. I didn’t open my heart to forgive him until I was 15 and it wasn’t easy for me to give him that. But as I grew and learned, made my bad choices, I began to understand that what makes a man human is extremely complicated. It’s something that must be taught, not something truly inherent in any of us. If you want to know why-bo back and find the answers. Maybe then tomorrow’s children will be better for it.
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To TexasDP…I wanted to comment on one thing you said to me…I NEVER said I expect anyone to forgive Daniel for his actions. I only ask that people be considerat enough to let his family mourn in peace. Yes, what Daniel did was horrific, and I don’t condone it at all….however there was more to Daniel than just his crimes. And, so his family and friends feel that loss, and to have people being so outspoken in their joy of Daniel’s death is painful. I don’t expect his victim’s familes to “get over it”…their loss is great. However, I do think they need to learn to deal with that anger and hatred inside them, ‘cuz all it does in the long run is eat them alive from the inside out, and they are miserable. And, even tho I don’t expect anyone to forgive Daniel…keep in mind that forgiving isn’t so much for the person that has wronged you; but more for yourself so you can begin to heal. Jmo.
May 17th, 2008 at 9:12 am
RE;Damian Siebert~ DReed…Thank-you for writting-However I already knew all of this, and have known since April of 1987.Just the way you explained it.I have all of your fathers rap sheets,history,confessions(for all the lives taken)Dates,times,Even new about you,where you are, your sister,your Mom & his father.But I ask all of you? Did you know that my Mom was the Mom that removed her Children from the same life you speak of?????Due to our fathers actions???Had to start all over with 3 small children~Only to finally find a sense of Happiness @ the time her life was taken…Should I go on…All 3 of us have made many choices in our lives but always new right from wrong.My Mom worked 3 jobs for many years to provide for us.My brother was in the Marine Corp also,Which also didn’t give him sense of dirrection either.(growing up without his father)Been their done that.Mom finally came to a point in her life that she didn’t have to work as hard any longer and could finally live a little..57 years old her life was taken.We are all married with children & grandchildren of our own.They all know Danny lee Siebert….Yet they never got to know our Mom.I did say in my writtings as Damain, I feel sorry for his Children,But I do hate Danny for taking my whole life away from myself & family…And I have been to all of his trials..Have spoken to him in a cell.And was in Alabama October 25,2008 when he was granted a stay.I know all of the families, all to well.Barbara not only lost her daughter but 2 beautiful grandsons..So their is a trickle effect. Not only the many victims but the families they leave behind. I am tried of many voicing their opinions when they have yet to have their lives turned upside down, and their hearts riped out.So Thank-you once again for writting to explain,but as I said I was aware of this all before.Mom386~beaiam
May 17th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
mom386….two points to make…you said your mom removed her children from a similar life as Daniel’s, correct…what ages were you all? Did you, at 12, live on the streets, prostituting yourself out to survive? Your mom may have worked 3 jobs, and you all may have not had a father…but at least you weren’t out selling yourself as a child, to complete strangers, on the street. To me, that’s a big difference. Secondly…as I’ve stated before, even if your abuse was identical to Daniel’s, no two ppl will ever react the same way to trauma. There are always numerous factors that play a part; and each person’s tolerance level, or breaking point, varies. This is something that most ppl seem to overlook.
May 19th, 2008 at 7:14 am
Savannah,GA.2/7/70 Interstate Stolen 1964 Chevy.Westfield,NY.10/27/71 solicitation. Ft Holabird, MD.8/11/72 Disch. San Diego,CA.11/5/72 (1)Robbery (2)Battery Toledo,Ill.5/23/73 Marine Deserter Los Angeles,CA.9/28/73 interferring AKA:Daniel lee Marlow El Cerrito,CA. 7/26/74 476a PC Felony Checks Auto Theft.AKA:Daniel lee Marlow Oakland,CA.7/30/74 476 PC (16cts)Poss of Comp Checks,Money orders &Travel Check w/intent to defraud. Los Angeles,CA.8/14/75 Poss Controlled Sub Las Veggas,NV. 2/12/79 Murder.Guilty Vol Manslaughter 10 years NSP.
May 19th, 2008 at 7:38 am
Carson City,NV.10/26/79 Vol Manslaughter 10 years. Alameda,Co-Oakland CA. 12/13/81 Poss of Silencer -EX Con- Poss of firearm -Escapee Carson City, NV Prison. San Fran,CA.9/11/85 Kidnapping /Force. NOTE:s made $20 to $30,000 bail on the S>F>charge in December of 1985 returned to La Vegas to the home of C—– G—-, mother of his girl friend.R— F—–,Stole her car and left town before x-mas……..AKA’S Daniel lee Marlow,Dan Spence, Danny Marlow,Danial Siebert,Michael Hart. Born Mattoon Ill. Common law wife lived in Colum,Ohio. 1/23/1979-stabbed L. Evaans 29 times. 12/12/79-Strangled Caoes Las Angeles 12/18/85-n.McEkrathy Las Angeles 12/24/85- G.Castro Hollywood CA 2/3/86-S Evans_ Birmingham 2/19/86-S Weathers 2/19/86-Chad 2/19/86 Joesph 2/19/86Linda Outum 2/19/86 Linda Jarmen….. 3/8/86 B.McDougall 3/9/86 New Jersey Jail out 30days later for stealing girls pocket book after murder. Atlanta (2)girls Nash (2)girls Alabama (2) and poss a couple in new jersey. This is for the record since I was told “I didn’t get my stories straight.”I could give # account #’s but won’t, & addresses.
May 19th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Mom386, you did very well in reciting what has been said to you and what you have read from your sources but when I say you didn’t get your stories straight. I meant just that. Sometimes what police charge you with isn’t always what happened. Often police give you false information, so they can justify what they do or to make you and others feel better. Danny gave you information as well and I wonder what his motives were? I’m not saying that you are stupid or anything of that nature, only that you have one side of a story in some of these cases. I’m the common-law wife who lived in Columbus, OH. I don’t mind speaking with you on a private basis because I really feel badly about your mom, and what you have gone through these many years. I also feel badly for my son who has written to you to apologize for his father. It’s enough. He didn’t kill your mother, yet he has paid for her death over and over again these many years. He cannot make up for what happened, no more than he could when he was a child, distraught and burdened with a crime that he did not commit. I watched my child pay for his father’s crimes in mind and in spirit. You hate his father but what are you going to do with the hate now? He’s dead. what will you gain from this hate now? Are you passing this on to your children, and your children’s children? What will it do for them? Will it help them in the future?
Texas, you said, “Then you preach religion, as you see it, which is a strange mix of tent revivalism and making things up as you go along.” I am not a fundamentalist. Sorry. I am a historian. The books are there for you to read for your own edification. The new testament actually does discuss “forgiveness,” and yes, historically there were several chapters and books that were left out of the Bible because they did not agree with those who were in power “religiously” at the time. That’s a matter of record. I encourage you to read more often.
Ms. Mom386, I hope that one day you will be able to let go of the past. No matter what you feel or what you have held onto for these past 22 years, the facts remain the same. Danny died as God has chosen him to. You did get part of your wish–he died in terrible pain, incoherent among other things. And whether you wished for it or not, we, his family has suffered right along with you for the past 22 years. As far as you being able to repeat what was written by whoever you obtained your information on Danny Lee from–I hope that you retain your happier days with your mom better than you have held on to the worse parts of your memories regarding your Mom’s death. Peace be with you, young lady. I will continue to pray for your healing.
May 19th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
First and for most I will say it again~I do feel sorry for his Children(Which are the same age as mine)I didn’t read this at a police station or anywheres else. It came from The United States Department of Justice Federal Bureau of Investigations,Washington,DC.(The following FBI record, # — 304 07.)Danny was charged with my mothers Murder March 23,1987 Violation #2C:11-3 & 2C:19-1 therefore we were still very involved with this until 1995.We had to read all of his confessions,and look at pictures of our mom laying on the floor where he left her.(Perparing us for trail if it ever went that far)Thus being a part of this we were constantly up dated almost weekly.Their were many trips taken, by our family which had to be done.So as far as getting on with our lifes,We have in the best way we know how,but always something to do leading back to this.So as far as letting go of the past that will never happen because that would mean letting go of our Moms pretty face,beautiful smile & most loving heart.God was her guide…And everyone has a story.But we know what took place in that room,and saw My Mom the way she was left…Everytime I think of her ( I remember so clearly)what my last picture in my mine of her was….And the pictures of the other victims.Have you seen them??My Children & Grandchildren are very much Christens..And had to grow up very fast.They also had to learn very quickly about people such as him & why someone could hurt someone ,so caring, loving & giving person. Someone that has helped people like Danny all her life.(And NEVER judge them) I might add.Had he just asked for the $80.00 she would have given it to him & probably more.She fought her whole life…(We were their)And went out fighting.So being on this end ,a victims family….Their are things that have to be done, you think we enjoyed reading his 30page confession. No not at all,or the others.But it was something we had to do.Would you like to see picture of how he left the room.(After he cleaned up)and left.As far as Danny having cancer-we too have lost several in the last 10 years of the same.Yes it is painful (but normal part of life)Stabbing,beating & strangling someone for 20 minutes is not, Mom died in a very painful way also.With no choices to make,lawyers to help,or Doctors to take the pain away.So yes I have gotten on with my life but with everything so fresh in my mind.So we will con’t our lives knowing Daniel Lee Siebert was the one that altered them for all of us….Forever.I wish my Mom was incherent,then she wouldn’t of known the pain either.You and your family have suffered but not with us…..(For his actions you have suffered.) Have you looked at the pictures of his Victims ? Chad & Joesph picture are on my wall in front of me now.Have you looked into Barbara eyes,A daughter & 2 grandchildren.And yet all of the other families.I have.How one person can distroy so many lives.So while you were suffering right along side us,and supporting him in court or their during his trials,we were their supporting each other,also hearing it all over again from him.Maybe you should all get copies of the 8 boxes of paperwork and start reading it, might even change the way you think & your answers to this.You yourself might be surprised, and feel differently.(Which I can now begin to burn)I don’t do good reciting anything.Just have the facts in black & white.Not just what Daniel might have told you,his confessions hand written.
May 21st, 2008 at 2:57 am
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May 16th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
TexasDPSupporter~ You seem to understand very well what we have gone threw.And how we as the victims families feel. Have you had a murder in your family or just one that can truely understand what this has done to us and how we feel.Thank-you for your continuing support.
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Yes, I have, unfortunately, been there. You’re right, unless one has been there one can never understand.
It’s not about revenge, it’s about justice. Plain and simple. No amount of snarky comments are going to change that.
May 21st, 2008 at 9:58 am
I’m sorry to here this,how long has it been since your loss? I’m always thinking of the many others,that have taken this journey & just don’t have any idea!!I understand if you don’t want to discuss.(You are absolutely Right) “Revenge is to harm in retaliation” . “Justice is reward or penalty as deserved” Unless this Too has changed?
May 21st, 2008 at 8:39 pm
It’s been 17 years but that doesn’t make it any easier.
Her murderer was never caught and she lived in a non-DP state so, even if he were, he would just hang out in prison with 3 hots and a cot. Probably not as easy a life as he’s leading now but at least he’d have a life. He took that chance away from a beautiful, 20 year old woman.
May 21st, 2008 at 10:27 pm
to all of you i am sorry for what this man has done. I dont know him only know him by what i have read i have never been through this so i can not sit here and say that i have. to mom386 yes you can not let go of the past but i order for you to heal you have to learn to forgive. I bet your mother was a wonderful,loving and careing person who did what she could for you. But for dannys wife and mother of damien i am sorry for you to not only do you have to live knowing what he has done but also live knowing that the families are still healing and you carry that burden of wishing it didnt happen and also the pain of the loss of your loved one that died in prison. You all are in my prayers and i hope that one day everyone can learn to forgive because you will never forget
May 22nd, 2008 at 10:43 am
Yes she was~ In one of her many writtings she wrote~ It matters not to me how long,I dwell upon this sod~ I’ve merely done the best I could~ I leave the rest to God…. The most important thing in life,Is trying to decide~What talent I possess and how, It ought to be applied.How I can use that gift from God (As Everybody Should)To bring about more happiness,And do the greatest Good.I was taught by the best.
May 22nd, 2008 at 11:48 am
mom386 in my life i have been through some things that some people wouldnt want to as well even though i have forgiven that memeber of my family i would never forget what he did to me. i know it was a great loss for you but do you think that she would want you to live your life in saddness and full of hate? i dont think so. yes you have every right to hate this man and you dont have to forgive him but i know for me to forgive my family memeber gave me that chance to heal. i have not healed completely and it will take time. i know i will never be alone with him and prolly wont ever go see him but for me i had to forgive in order for me to heal and try to make my life ok agian. Your life will never be ok agian and neither will the family members of his they have to live with it just like you do and they have to also heal from there loss yes to many he may have been a monster but to his family the saw things that made him not a monster. day by day thing will get easer and i hope you can find it in your heart to forgive. you and everyone involved are in my prayers
May 29th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Everyone must be done healing?Or just forgetting..so soon.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
I dont think that anyone has forgotten or healed. i thnk they are trying to